tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post3875692285809022079..comments2024-01-19T04:04:57.337-06:00Comments on reverent irreverence: what you see depends on where you sitaltar egohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11564052536173244610noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-49834290632168416172011-01-07T06:16:04.732-06:002011-01-07T06:16:04.732-06:00Uh. Wow. Well. Not exactly sure what to say here....Uh. Wow. Well. Not exactly sure what to say here. Amazing that someone actually composed that as a serious wish list?Jaynehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14057094040409159429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-9095858865810242412011-01-06T13:41:49.578-06:002011-01-06T13:41:49.578-06:00Well. I love best your thought about turn around i...Well. I love best your thought about turn around is fair play - you want to give me feedback and have me adapt, then I will give you some and you need to adapt....some in my congregation would have freaked at that - thinking that its not mutual but directive. sad.<br /><br />I think these are important ideas to think about but not necessarily as a list of must-do's. Rather they invite an opportunity to do some intentional reflection on what we are "doing" when we worship.Terrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15667178624061122421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-45506960066987126402011-01-06T10:53:22.107-06:002011-01-06T10:53:22.107-06:00Final point: this list should be required reading ...Final point: this list should be required reading for every seminarian. This is how some very real people feel about church and church leaders, obviously. It is based on their experience, perspective, and perception, and any young minister dismisses such a list at his or her peril. It's easy for me to mock the author, but I haven't sat a mile in his obviously uncomfortable pew seat...or something like that.Carolina Lintheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335905555994442416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-41171074366121624172011-01-06T10:43:55.320-06:002011-01-06T10:43:55.320-06:00I'm trying your patience, but I did want to ad...I'm trying your patience, but I did want to add that I'm definitely not into the band thing, or "accompaniment" that drowns out the voices of the choir/congregation. I do love me some congregational singing!<br /><br />I guess what bothers me most is something you hint at, Anne: where is worshiping God in this list? It's called a "worship service" for a reason, you know. Yes, there should be opportunities for people to share regarding how God is working in their lives...every church I've ever been a part of has provided those opportunities, in one form or another. Maybe the Bug is right (she often is): this dude needs to check out other churches.Carolina Lintheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335905555994442416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-39050890456236608892011-01-06T10:17:27.983-06:002011-01-06T10:17:27.983-06:00Full disclosure: my mom was PK (preacher's ki...Full disclosure: my mom was PK (preacher's kid), and my dad a licensed minister at one point. I am a seminary graduate. Yes, my family has been known to carve up any given minister at the dinner table on Sunday. On the other hand, my grandparents, parents, etc., worked tirelessly in support of their local church, and I really cannot recall ever thinking that my pastor was "out of touch" with the real world, real people, etc...quite the opposite. I can see how one might feel this way in some congregations, but as I'm most familiar with small to middling churches with overworked pastors and minimal staff, this one just got my goat. There, I have referenced both sheep and goats today. My work here is done ;-)Carolina Lintheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335905555994442416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-19535004584027775212011-01-06T10:07:45.679-06:002011-01-06T10:07:45.679-06:00Wow. This list (NOT your comments, my friend, jus...Wow. This list (NOT your comments, my friend, just the original list) offends me on so many levels I just don't know where to start, so I won't, other than to say "if you truly love them, walk a mile in your church leaders' shoes, or, perhaps, if you love Christ, feed his sheep instead of mocking the shepherds!" No wonder Jesus wept.<br /><br />(signed) Righteously Indignant in OhioCarolina Lintheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16335905555994442416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17343988.post-81674384000520862792011-01-06T09:44:27.798-06:002011-01-06T09:44:27.798-06:00Shoot - the peace has been so successful at my las...Shoot - the peace has been so successful at my last two churches that we have to start singing to get people to sit down & shut up. Obviously that person is going to the wrong church LOL!<br /><br />Sadly - I can see some truth in what he's saying regarding some churches I've been in. But not in an Episcopal one - we're just just happy everyone is there!The Bughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07509037206264761261noreply@blogger.com